Visual C# express 2008

[bigjoe11a]

About 2 years a go I have an idea about programing my 1st application in windows forms. Well I ran into some coding problems and I been looking every where that I could.

I have a Visual C# Express 2008 Project that I been looking for some one to help me code it.

There 4 parts to the project
1) Telnet Server with a BBS (Bullitin Board System)
2) FTP server

3) Simple Mail server
4) and a Web server that can support asp.net or PHP

If any one is willing to code the BBS and server parts to the project. I' willing to pay up too $250.00 for the completed project.

My project, what I have completed to this day is attached. PLEASE HELP

[nelo]

If any one is willing to code the BBS and server parts to the project. I' willing to pay up too $250.00 for the completed project.
Hi there. Generally speaking this forum is about helping fellow developers with specific problems they may experiencing as part of some development project. This help is offered free of charge. You may get some responses to your proposal (possibly through private messages). I hope you find the help you're looking for. Have you tried sites such as Rent-A-Coder? That site enables project sponsors to advertise their requirements and developers to bid to do the work (for a fee :)). That might be good place to look at...

[bigjoe11a]

Hi there. Generally speaking this forum is about helping fellow developers with specific problems they may experiencing as part of some development project. This help is offered free of charge. You may get some responses to your proposal (possibly through private messages). I hope you find the help you're looking for. Have you tried sites such as Rent-A-Coder? That site enables project sponsors to advertise their requirements and developers to bid to do the work (for a fee :)). That might be good place to look at...

Thanks for the information. How ever the fees may be too high and wouldn't be able to a ford it.

[JonnyPoet]

Thanks for the information. How ever the fees may be too high and wouldn't be able to a ford it.Nobody who works for giving bread to his hungry family will be able to work for some cents. :mad: So I think the price you offer could only be a joke. :D As already told this forum is for short helps and hints to fellow programmers. Maybe you have noexperience, but you have to know even for a well experienced programmer, this is no work for 3 hours hat you want to get is a lot of work. Maybe if you try it by help of rent a coder, but I would suggest start your offer at 5000 U$

[bigjoe11a]

John and your request is a joke.

So please don't make me laugh so hard.

[nelo]

Thanks for the information. How ever the fees may be too high and wouldn't be able to a ford it.
Hi there. It's worth a try. You're likely to get a few bids if you put it at $250.00 (bearing in mind I've not really looked at the detail). I've had a look at what kind of budgets are posted on rent a coder. I've rarely seen anything above the $500.00 - $1,000.00 mark. So why not try it. You wont be compelled to enter into any contract if you don't want to. Or you could do it bit by bit here at CodeGuru :) Honestly speaking though people here at CodeGuru are very willing to help. You're not going to find a lot of people more generous with their time and skill than JohhnyPoet. He really goes out of his (as do others) to help provided their not being taken for a ride. But at the end of the day its not designed for money to be exchanged for services. At places such as Rent A coder they've got nice escrow systems in place that give assurances to both parties. You've got nothing to lose by having a look...

[bigjoe11a]

Hi! nelo, I all ready have and I posted it for the price of $250.00 and I posted it yesterday. Just waiting on some bidders. I think $250.00 is a fare price since I'm not charging for the software. Every one will be able to download it.

FOR FREE, and to use for as long as they want FOR FREE. The price of $5000 USD is a joke.

[JonnyPoet]

FOR FREE, and to use for as long as they want FOR FREE. The price of $5000 USD is a joke.Hmm... it wasn't really a joke. I'm talking about what prices we have here in Europe on costs for one hour of a good softwareengineer is 100 US So how much hours do you really estimate for
1) doing the design of a telnet and BBS system if you start from the beginning
( I havn't looked into your zip file so maybeif all is nearly done then I'm wrong maybe )
2) The coding
3) The testing of the code

So I think what I'm talking about are prices, which are not to high I think if you are going to get a private coder with good quality

I also have never had a need to work at 'rent a coder' and I wouldn't if I just heard they have such prices.

For 250 bucks I would sit in the sun and dreaming. Mytime is better invested then to my health then to do hard work. :D

Got the difference: What we are doing here is for free and some rep points and only our personal fun to help others. And believe me its totally different if you do something simple because you do it, or if you are forced to do it, because you get some money. Thats the difference between freedom and being under duress. When I'm spending some hours here I can see others growing in their understanding and thats a great feeling. That counts, what you have contributed to others. You are totally free to answer or to withdraw here at any time. I loke it. As with every hobby you never are counting the hours you do it.:wave:

But this is contrary: 250 Bucks - sorry maybe this is very much for you, but its nearly nothing here in Europe. 250 bucks for being in an obligation - no sorry - not my game.

[bigjoe11a]

Then why did you bother to even reply. When all your doing is complaining about the price. If I was you I wouldn't bother too even reply to my post.

[JonnyPoet]

Then why did you bother to even reply. When all your doing is complaining about the price. If I was you I wouldn't bother too even reply to my post.Have you ever thought about that your 'offer' in a forum where people are helping for free maybe can downgrade their help.?
Inadequat offers are an affront to every artist.

In between I have looked into your project and seen the misery. There are some screens more or less 'designed' but most of it is not coded. I could only find a small part regarding sending emails where you already have done some coding.

Ok thats fine. But how much time would you estimate to finish this project. 5 hours ( a 50 bucks ) or are this more then 100 hours ?
In my opinion the last estimate is the correct one. This is why I think you are offering us to work for 2,50 or less.
And sorry - in my eyes its a honer to help youngsters for some problems for free - but I feel ashamed when people come and ask me to work for them for 2,50 :mad:
And why I should not respond when I feel bad about a post like that. Because I'm always thinking people do not intentionally try to downgrade the value of our work, I wanted to give you reallity about what a project which you have described is evaluated by a professional, nothing else. And the rent a coder has basically the same guideline. Look what they have on their page about prices, I did a screen shot for you

So my question is What has you stopped to do it yourself and simple getting help by us for free when you need assistance ?
This way you also would be able to mainenence your code whenever needed. Thats the point we are intersted in: Getting people to be more able to do hings themselfes. Getting people understanding and forcing their abilities is real help. Coding some pages for you - sorry, even you pay - is business but no help.

[bigjoe11a]

Have you ever thought about that your 'offer' in a forum where people are helping for free maybe can downgrade their help.?
Inadequat offers are an affront to every artist.

In between I have looked into your project and seen the misery. There are some screens more or less 'designed' but most of it is not coded. I could only find a small part regarding sending emails where you already have done some coding.

Ok thats fine. But how much time would you estimate to finish this project. 5 hours ( a 50 bucks ) or are this more then 100 hours ?
In my opinion the last estimate is the correct one. This is why I think you are offering us to work for 2,50 or less.
And sorry - in my eyes its a honer to help youngsters for some problems for free - but I feel ashamed when people come and ask me to work for them for 2,50 :mad:
And why I should not respond when I feel bad about a post like that. Because I'm always thinking people do not intentionally try to downgrade the value of our work, I wanted to give you reallity about what a project which you have described is evaluated by a professional, nothing else. And the rent a coder has basically the same guideline. Look what they have on their page about prices, I did a screen shot for you

This is what I don't under stand. Why are you even bothering me with your joke.

Your not reading every thing

1) This is a personal project that I have dreamed about for over 4 years. And been working on it for over 2 years.
2) I think your request is a joke for $5000.00 for a personal project that I don't have any plans on making money on.

3) I'm not a kid. I'm 49 years old and I'm turning 50 in the first week of may.

4) Stop wasting my time posting to your replies when you have NO intent on helping with the project.

5)If you still have NO intent on helping PLEASE no more replies. Leave room for some one that would help. All your doing to shooting my project down the drain. Well stop it.

[BigEd781]

Well, I think that most of us here will agree with Johnny. $250.00 for anything that would take more than 8 hours is a joke. If this is your project, why not just learn how to do it yourself? People here will help you when you run into problems, but you obviously have never worked as a software developer judging by the $250.00 contract for a complex piece of software. Software development is hard and time consuming, and we don't work for minimum wage (or less even).

[JonnyPoet]

This is what I don't under stand. Why are you even bothering me with your joke.
Simple as said before it wasn't really a joke. I tried to give you reality with a small shot of humour.

Your not reading every thing

1) This is a personal project that I have dreamed about for over 4 years. And been working on it for over 2 years.

2) I think your request is a joke for $5000.00 for a personal project that I don't have any plans on making money on.
Point 1 has nothing to do with point 2. When I want to buy a bike like a Harley it has its price independent if I'm using it only for fun and will not use it to ride to my work. :D The price depends on the amount of work needed. But maybe you have no reality about how much work your project includes.

4) Stop wasting my time posting to your replies when you have NO intent on helping with the project.Maybe you cannot see this but I'm trying to help you. Increased reality is a way of help.
Additional you havn't answered my questions: So here they are again:
Why not trying to finish it yourself by the help of us. As it was your project, why have you given up. When did you reach the point where you decided that it cannot be done by yourself and you need to pay someone else to get it done.
If I would want to do something, I would simple look what I'm needing to know to get on with my project, then posting the correct question or if its some general knowledge missing, I would read an appropritiate book then going on with the project.

All your doing to shooting my project down the drain. Well stop it.No there is not any intent in s'hooting your project down.' In fact I want you to get back to the point where you decided to do it. Something must have been happened that you have changed your mind.

[dglienna]

Even at RAC, you'll find someone to take your project for that price, ONLY if they have it already sitting on a shelf somewhere, and can change a few lines (or an hour or two) to modify it to your needs.

Then, you'll get people that say they can do it, but never deliver it, or else it doesn't work as expected. Communication is a big part of design work.

You should have put that as an OPEN bid, just to see what people would do it for.

You might want to start at http://www.codeplex.com/ to see what people have developed as open source.

[JonnyPoet]

... since I'm not charging for the software. Every one will be able to download it.

FOR FREE, and to use for as long as they want FOR FREE. The price of $5000 USD is a joke.
This is a point I had forgot to comment. But as it is very important for you, I want to inform you about software licenses. YOU have to read them when signing a contract.

If you pay for coding you need to have an eye on the contract you are doing. Maybe someone has such project already on his shelf and will grant you usage, but normally it is not allowed to distribute software, which was done by others, EVEN IF YOU DO IT FOR FREE.!
To give you an example: You cannot copy Windows Vista and distribute it to your friends for free. Its forbidden.
And as people normally know that, sometimes obviously they think.: When I pay for coding, its mine, I can do with it whatever I want.
Its not. !

You may run into troubles with the person who coded it for you or sells you a copy of his work maybe former done for another person.
So please be careful in reading agreements before you run into troubles. I know i'm the bad one. I can understand that you will hate me, as I'm again telling you things, you never wanted to hear. But I'm not here for being oblige or submissive, I'm wanting to help you in giving yo information.

If you do it yourself, for example with some help, you can do with it all you want, because then you are the real owner , designer and the publisher too.
Why have you gven upto do it yourself. ? What is needed to now to get on with it. IMHO it looks me you simple may have leaks in programming knowledge.
So lets find out what is missing and go on with it.

[Mutant_Fruit]

This is a personal project that I have dreamed about for over 4 years. And been working on it for over 2 years.

If you've been working on it for nearly 2 years and it's still not nearly done, then it's gonna cost a lot more than $250 to complete it. A basic BBS system written from scratch is going to be far more than $250. You're much better off paying someone to set up an opensource system so it does what you want.

[JonnyPoet]

If you've been working on it for nearly 2 years and it's still not nearly done, then it's gonna cost a lot more than $250 to complete it. A basic BBS system written from scratch is going to be far more than $250. You're much better off paying someone to set up an opensource system so it does what you want.Sorry to say, but if you look into his zip file then its not rather more then 8 Forms with most times no code in it, all together including all Formdesigners code 2222 lines of code.
( Counted with a C# codeLine-counter ) Code without designer written code: 492 lines included all namespaces, using commands, declarations, empty lines between code and lines which only includes open and closing braces.
Hmm I cannot imagine someone tells me that this is the work of two years, as this could be done in some few hours. Per sure less then one day of work.
Asking for finishing such a project is like asking to do all from the beginning. At first when I havn't looked into his project file I thought he has maybe no reality about pricing, but looking into the project - sorry to say I really felt teased.

bigjoe11a As you say you are near to 50, OK I'm 61 so I think I'm allowed to give you some hints. For forcing your knowledge: We all have not started to code by 'having a dream' we have begun to study and train basic very basic stuff and then got more and more experienced.

For getting an idea how dreams can get true, look at this guys post
http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475532

He had just started his learning C# He took up a problem asked for help I showed him a bit of graphical mathematics and he finished it. Then he showed what he has done. Even it is an exe I downloaded it and its a very funny nice picture which shows me he totally has got it.

This is how we try to help people. Creating understanding is real help. Doing something instaed of another is no help. When I'm dreaming about building my own model airoplan I can buy one per sure, but does this really fufill my dreams ?

Think about it, find out why you had stopped then ask the correct questions and we will help you to get on with this. if you only want to buy something like what you are dreaming, OK buy it, but on't wonder if your dream isn't fulfilled.