Mushq
January 11th, 2008, 07:07 AM
Can anyone please tell the major differences between "Windows NT" and Linux?
Best Regards,
Mushq
Best Regards,
Mushq
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PeejAvery
January 11th, 2008, 10:25 AM
What? :confused:
You have a better chance of comparing apples and oranges. They are completely different, from the base up.
You have a better chance of comparing apples and oranges. They are completely different, from the base up.
dglienna
January 11th, 2008, 01:33 PM
Homework?
severehotfix
January 13th, 2008, 03:19 AM
I join the online forims from time to time I also see some answer like yours, dgliena, but what is homework you are really talking about ?
How can such a question be a school homework ?
How can such a question be a school homework ?
severehotfix
January 16th, 2008, 03:54 AM
Can anyone please tell the major differences between "Windows NT" and Linux?
Best Regards,
Mushq
Linux is free
Nt is Microsoft's
You can talk about who create each, are they the same, are they different
why Linux exists, why MS products never loses for it.
By the way, "Best Regards" is words, to those who have been up and down for long time, having it or not is not a matter
I remember the other day I see a message from someone
intead of saying,
"Jean, anh shock and pain" after he sees my message on board like this
He sends a very shortened from of those words "jashknpajn"
It's my turn to be shocked to realise the meaning then since his skills of word use seem to reach advanced level to hack online readers fully.
Best Regards,
Mushq
Linux is free
Nt is Microsoft's
You can talk about who create each, are they the same, are they different
why Linux exists, why MS products never loses for it.
By the way, "Best Regards" is words, to those who have been up and down for long time, having it or not is not a matter
I remember the other day I see a message from someone
intead of saying,
"Jean, anh shock and pain" after he sees my message on board like this
He sends a very shortened from of those words "jashknpajn"
It's my turn to be shocked to realise the meaning then since his skills of word use seem to reach advanced level to hack online readers fully.
Mushq
January 16th, 2008, 04:12 AM
Hi severehotfix,
Thanks for reply!
Actually one of my friend asked me that question, I google it for more than 2 hours but couldn’t find any document describing difference between "Linux" and "Windows NT", that's why I put that question here, that if someone might know any document that describes difference between them. My friend doesn't need that now.
Any way thanks for your interest. :)
Best Regards,
Mushq
Thanks for reply!
Actually one of my friend asked me that question, I google it for more than 2 hours but couldn’t find any document describing difference between "Linux" and "Windows NT", that's why I put that question here, that if someone might know any document that describes difference between them. My friend doesn't need that now.
Any way thanks for your interest. :)
Best Regards,
Mushq
egawtry
June 1st, 2008, 03:20 PM
This is a few months late, but here it goes:
Windows NT is CISC. It has layer built upon layer and is designed to directly interact with the computer hardware and the user. To do otherwise there are special programs created (services). NT assumes that it has all the hardware under it's control.
Linux (in its original implementation) is RISC. It isn't anymore, but still follows the principle of the minimum required. That is why Linux is so much better for stand-alone operations (like web servers); and not quite as nice for user interfaces. (Although some of the modern desktops are getting there...)
They both have their pluses and minuses. What are you trying to do?
-Erik
Windows NT is CISC. It has layer built upon layer and is designed to directly interact with the computer hardware and the user. To do otherwise there are special programs created (services). NT assumes that it has all the hardware under it's control.
Linux (in its original implementation) is RISC. It isn't anymore, but still follows the principle of the minimum required. That is why Linux is so much better for stand-alone operations (like web servers); and not quite as nice for user interfaces. (Although some of the modern desktops are getting there...)
They both have their pluses and minuses. What are you trying to do?
-Erik
TheCPUWizard
June 1st, 2008, 03:34 PM
Eric....
That is possibly one of the biggest mis-uses of RISC and CISC I have heard in the last 20 years.
The differentiation actually has little to do with "complexity" and more to do with "size". On a RISC architecture, the instructions (of which there are few) are very simple, and you usually need to string a sequence of them together to do anything useful. On a CISC enviroment there are many more instructions that combine these functions in many ways.
The machine I started programming on in 1972, had exactly 8 instructions, and 3 memory addressing modes. A grand total of 24.
Ironically todays machines (Intel and AMD) are actually RISC architectures internally. What most people think of as "Machine Language" is actually processed into sequences of much smaller instructions that are placed into the processing pipelines. This provides an external CISC which minimizes the necessary traffic between the outside world and the transistors deep inside the silicon.
That is possibly one of the biggest mis-uses of RISC and CISC I have heard in the last 20 years.
The differentiation actually has little to do with "complexity" and more to do with "size". On a RISC architecture, the instructions (of which there are few) are very simple, and you usually need to string a sequence of them together to do anything useful. On a CISC enviroment there are many more instructions that combine these functions in many ways.
The machine I started programming on in 1972, had exactly 8 instructions, and 3 memory addressing modes. A grand total of 24.
Ironically todays machines (Intel and AMD) are actually RISC architectures internally. What most people think of as "Machine Language" is actually processed into sequences of much smaller instructions that are placed into the processing pipelines. This provides an external CISC which minimizes the necessary traffic between the outside world and the transistors deep inside the silicon.
egawtry
June 1st, 2008, 03:41 PM
I wasn't referring to the processor architecture - I fully realize the difference between CISC and RISC on processors. I was bastardizing the terms to explain the difference between the kernels in WIndows vs. Linux. The original UNIX kernel was less than 256 bytes back in the 70's (Minux, Linux's poppa, fit on a floppy), whereas Windows has always been bloatware, mostly because of all the user interface stuff.
Stop being a country lawyer.
-Erik
Stop being a country lawyer.
-Erik
TheCPUWizard
June 1st, 2008, 03:49 PM
I wasn't referring to the processor architecture - I fully realize the difference between CISC and RISC on processors. I was bastardizing the terms to explain the difference between the kernels in WIndows vs. Linux. The original UNIX kernel was less than 256 bytes back in the 70's (Minux, Linux's poppa, fit on a floppy), whereas Windows has always been bloatware, mostly because of all the user interface stuff.
Me thinks there is a typo there....
Stop being a country lawyer.
Not being a lawyer. Just being very well aware that people take information from CodeGuru (honestly being one of the most accruate technical forums available) at face value. It would not be unheard of for someone to quote your post, and thereby make a fool of themselves (possibly losing a job opportunity, etc...).
This is a REALITY. When I am doing initial screenings for clients on applications, I DO ask what (if any) forums they participate in, and they often share their identity. Either that or a quick Google will make the association. About 15% of the candidates FAIL the screening simply by what they have posted (technical...I do NOT play the life-style police).
Me thinks there is a typo there....
Stop being a country lawyer.
Not being a lawyer. Just being very well aware that people take information from CodeGuru (honestly being one of the most accruate technical forums available) at face value. It would not be unheard of for someone to quote your post, and thereby make a fool of themselves (possibly losing a job opportunity, etc...).
This is a REALITY. When I am doing initial screenings for clients on applications, I DO ask what (if any) forums they participate in, and they often share their identity. Either that or a quick Google will make the association. About 15% of the candidates FAIL the screening simply by what they have posted (technical...I do NOT play the life-style police).
egawtry
June 1st, 2008, 04:44 PM
"TheCPUWizard",
Me thinks there is a typo there....
The only thing I can see that you might think is a typo is the original UNIX kernel size. If I remember my CS prof correctly, (it WAS 20+ years ago), the original UNIX kernel was 252 bytes on a PDP 11/70. Obviously a development version that was used for bootstrapping...
Edit: I just checked, and it was a PDP 11/20... - Erik
I apologize for dumbing down the original response. I was trying to put it into terms that someone who would have asked the original question may understand.
I agree that CG is the most complete programming information available (including MS). I have been using it since a friend pointed it out to me in the mid-90s. I even did a run answering forum questions between 1998 and 2001, but somehow my account got wiped around 2005 so I can't prove it to you (I know how you like proof).
BTW, what is your name anyway? You never sign your posts. Me thinks he doth take himself too seriously...
-Erik
Me thinks there is a typo there....
The only thing I can see that you might think is a typo is the original UNIX kernel size. If I remember my CS prof correctly, (it WAS 20+ years ago), the original UNIX kernel was 252 bytes on a PDP 11/70. Obviously a development version that was used for bootstrapping...
Edit: I just checked, and it was a PDP 11/20... - Erik
I apologize for dumbing down the original response. I was trying to put it into terms that someone who would have asked the original question may understand.
I agree that CG is the most complete programming information available (including MS). I have been using it since a friend pointed it out to me in the mid-90s. I even did a run answering forum questions between 1998 and 2001, but somehow my account got wiped around 2005 so I can't prove it to you (I know how you like proof).
BTW, what is your name anyway? You never sign your posts. Me thinks he doth take himself too seriously...
-Erik
TheCPUWizard
June 1st, 2008, 05:02 PM
"TheCPUWizard",
The only thing I can see that you might think is a typo is the original UNIX kernel size. If I remember my CS prof correctly, (it WAS 20+ years ago), the original UNIX kernel was 252 bytes on a PDP 11/70. Obviously a development version that was used for bootstrapping...
Very close...It was 252 WORDS (bytes were very rarely referrred to on the PDP-11 series as it could NOT do 8 bit memory access. But that was just the boot block. The actual Kernel was about 2K (Words). Remember that on the PDP-11 Series a single program could only directly address 32K Words of memory!)
I apologize for dumbing down the original response. I was trying to put it into terms that someone who would have asked the original question may understand.
I understand the intent, but do you really think that someone who has "no clue" as to the difference between Linux and Windows, would have a clue aboud CISC/RISC?. Now everyone knows the difference between Windows (Vista) and Mac because of the television commercials. ;) ]
I agree that CG is the most complete programming information available (including MS). I have been using it since a friend pointed it out to me in the mid-90s. I even did a run answering forum questions between 1998 and 2001, but somehow my account got wiped around 2005 so I can't prove it to you (I know how you like proof).
The only time I want proof is if someone makes a technically verifiable claim. Unfortunately many "technical facts" that are posted, simply arew untrue. I am quite willing to accept your claims.
BTW, what is your name anyway? You never sign your posts. Me thinks he doth take himself too seriously...
Actually I avoid using my name for a specific reason. TheCPUWizard is a registered trademark of the company I run (founded in 1984). About 2 seconds on any search engine will provide all the correlation between THeCPUWizard, my corporation, and my personal identity. CodeGuru prohibits "commercial advertising", which is why I limit this in this way.
btw: I do not take myself seriously at all. I do take technology VERY seriously. The points I stress most strongly are those I have been burned by ignoring at some point in the approximately 130,000 hours [that is NOT a typo] I have spent developing software.
The only thing I can see that you might think is a typo is the original UNIX kernel size. If I remember my CS prof correctly, (it WAS 20+ years ago), the original UNIX kernel was 252 bytes on a PDP 11/70. Obviously a development version that was used for bootstrapping...
Very close...It was 252 WORDS (bytes were very rarely referrred to on the PDP-11 series as it could NOT do 8 bit memory access. But that was just the boot block. The actual Kernel was about 2K (Words). Remember that on the PDP-11 Series a single program could only directly address 32K Words of memory!)
I apologize for dumbing down the original response. I was trying to put it into terms that someone who would have asked the original question may understand.
I understand the intent, but do you really think that someone who has "no clue" as to the difference between Linux and Windows, would have a clue aboud CISC/RISC?. Now everyone knows the difference between Windows (Vista) and Mac because of the television commercials. ;) ]
I agree that CG is the most complete programming information available (including MS). I have been using it since a friend pointed it out to me in the mid-90s. I even did a run answering forum questions between 1998 and 2001, but somehow my account got wiped around 2005 so I can't prove it to you (I know how you like proof).
The only time I want proof is if someone makes a technically verifiable claim. Unfortunately many "technical facts" that are posted, simply arew untrue. I am quite willing to accept your claims.
BTW, what is your name anyway? You never sign your posts. Me thinks he doth take himself too seriously...
Actually I avoid using my name for a specific reason. TheCPUWizard is a registered trademark of the company I run (founded in 1984). About 2 seconds on any search engine will provide all the correlation between THeCPUWizard, my corporation, and my personal identity. CodeGuru prohibits "commercial advertising", which is why I limit this in this way.
btw: I do not take myself seriously at all. I do take technology VERY seriously. The points I stress most strongly are those I have been burned by ignoring at some point in the approximately 130,000 hours [that is NOT a typo] I have spent developing software.
egawtry
June 1st, 2008, 05:21 PM
Now everyone knows the difference between Windows (Vista) and Mac because of the television commercials.
I don't want to get political, but those commercials are the most biased peices of computer marketing junk in recent years. Don't get me started.
but do you really think that someone ... would have a clue aboud CISC/RISC?.
No. I freely admit I just did a quick answer without thinking. Mia culpa. I just typed a quick answer since noone else had answered the poor guy after several months...
approximately 130,000 hours [that is NOT a typo] I have spent developing software.
I have never added it up, hmmm...
I get about 48,000 hours since college, not including overtime, add that in and it doubles to about 96,000 hours. Not quite reaching your number, but I am only 40.
I have been a Windows developer since 1989, almost the start of my career. There weren't too many others developing on Windows/286.
Harrumph,
-Erik
I don't want to get political, but those commercials are the most biased peices of computer marketing junk in recent years. Don't get me started.
but do you really think that someone ... would have a clue aboud CISC/RISC?.
No. I freely admit I just did a quick answer without thinking. Mia culpa. I just typed a quick answer since noone else had answered the poor guy after several months...
approximately 130,000 hours [that is NOT a typo] I have spent developing software.
I have never added it up, hmmm...
I get about 48,000 hours since college, not including overtime, add that in and it doubles to about 96,000 hours. Not quite reaching your number, but I am only 40.
I have been a Windows developer since 1989, almost the start of my career. There weren't too many others developing on Windows/286.
Harrumph,
-Erik
TheCPUWizard
June 1st, 2008, 05:40 PM
I don't want to get political, but those commercials are the most biased peices of computer marketing junk in recent years. Don't get me started.
[quote]
Hopefully you reaslize that was meant sarcastically.... :wave:
[quote]
I have been a Windows developer since 1989, almost the start of my career. There weren't too many others developing on Windows/286.
I started as an amatuer in 1972, went pro in 1976. I make the dividing line between classic and modern computers with the advent of the 8080 (NOT 8086...) and CP/M...While things have grown tremendously (capacity, speed), there really has not been any FUNDAMENTAL changes since (in mainstream computing)....
[quote]
Hopefully you reaslize that was meant sarcastically.... :wave:
[quote]
I have been a Windows developer since 1989, almost the start of my career. There weren't too many others developing on Windows/286.
I started as an amatuer in 1972, went pro in 1976. I make the dividing line between classic and modern computers with the advent of the 8080 (NOT 8086...) and CP/M...While things have grown tremendously (capacity, speed), there really has not been any FUNDAMENTAL changes since (in mainstream computing)....
egawtry
June 1st, 2008, 05:58 PM
Except for a bit of work on the Silent700 and a few of the old chunk-chunk teletypes (sent my first email in 1978!), I started programming on the 8080 doing BASIC under [on?] CP/M on a H8 (gotta love those 8" hard sector floppies!) and a H89 (I was 11). Used the C= PET and Apple ][ for many years (that is all the schools had), until I started UNIX programming on an old VAX 11/780 networked to a PDP 11/70 both running BSD 4.2 in 1985. Fell in love with K&R C and have been using that ever since. In 1986 as a college freshman I actually had a H100 (dual 8080 and 8086 machine).
I agree that there has been no fundimental underlying changes in computing, but the biggest change I have seen is the advent of "user" programming - programs written for Joe and Jane Doe who don't know squat about computers, and don't want to know. I think that is the true revolution.
Well, I gotta go do my weekend chores now that I have been procrasinating. Talk later.
-Erik
I agree that there has been no fundimental underlying changes in computing, but the biggest change I have seen is the advent of "user" programming - programs written for Joe and Jane Doe who don't know squat about computers, and don't want to know. I think that is the true revolution.
Well, I gotta go do my weekend chores now that I have been procrasinating. Talk later.
-Erik
TheCPUWizard
June 1st, 2008, 06:26 PM
Except for a bit of work on the Silent700 and a few of the old chunk-chunk teletypes (sent my first email in 1978!), I started programming on the 8080 doing BASIC under [on?] CP/M on a H8 (gotta love those 8" hard sector floppies!) and a H89 (I was 11). Used the C= PET and Apple ][ for many years (that is all the schools had), until I started UNIX programming on an old VAX 11/780 networked to a PDP 11/70 both running BSD 4.2 in 1985. Fell in love with K&R C and have been using that ever since. In 1986 as a college freshman I actually had a H100 (dual 8080 and 8086 machine).
I have 3 working ASR-33 teletypes...Would love to get ahold of a Silent-700 (with the dual cassettes) that go with my PDP-8. I also have a PDP-11/23, PDP-11/34, MicroVax II. Wife threatend to divore me when I had the opportunity to get a Vax Cluster 8800. :(.
I agree that there has been no fundimental underlying changes in computing, but the biggest change I have seen is the advent of "user" programming - programs written for Joe and Jane Doe who don't know squat about computers, and don't want to know. I think that is the true revolution.
But even that started with CP/M...There was the "Star Series"- WordStar, DataStar, ReportStar, CalcStar. These gave birth to Word, Access, Excel (through a series of evolutionary, not revolutionary events). There were also rudimentary Financial programs available as far back as 1980/1981...I made a good living setting up companies with these....
I have 3 working ASR-33 teletypes...Would love to get ahold of a Silent-700 (with the dual cassettes) that go with my PDP-8. I also have a PDP-11/23, PDP-11/34, MicroVax II. Wife threatend to divore me when I had the opportunity to get a Vax Cluster 8800. :(.
I agree that there has been no fundimental underlying changes in computing, but the biggest change I have seen is the advent of "user" programming - programs written for Joe and Jane Doe who don't know squat about computers, and don't want to know. I think that is the true revolution.
But even that started with CP/M...There was the "Star Series"- WordStar, DataStar, ReportStar, CalcStar. These gave birth to Word, Access, Excel (through a series of evolutionary, not revolutionary events). There were also rudimentary Financial programs available as far back as 1980/1981...I made a good living setting up companies with these....
Siddhartha
June 2nd, 2008, 08:50 AM
TheCPUWizard & Erik: the last few replies feature a discussion of a quality that fits "Private Messaging."
Please feel free to use PMs generously.
In the future, please avoid discussions that would not bring any value to the OP... In other words, keep the original question in mind.
Regards,
Siddhartha
Please feel free to use PMs generously.
In the future, please avoid discussions that would not bring any value to the OP... In other words, keep the original question in mind.
Regards,
Siddhartha
egawtry
June 2nd, 2008, 09:01 AM
Siddhartha,
Relax, we are just being nostalgic. It doesn't hurt anything, so what's the problem?
-Erik
P.S. I bet a lot of people are learning a lot of history here...
Relax, we are just being nostalgic. It doesn't hurt anything, so what's the problem?
-Erik
P.S. I bet a lot of people are learning a lot of history here...
Siddhartha
June 2nd, 2008, 09:06 AM
Siddhartha,
Relax, we are just being nostalgic. It doesn't hurt anything, so what's the problem?
-ErikPM is the right avenue for nostalgia and everything else personal. It isn't a great idea to hijack someone's thread and create a personal discussion. PM is a space meant specifically for that.
Just in case you still aren't convinced about it, here are some conditions you need to adhere to:
You will not post messages that are clearly outside of the stated topic [...] So, relax ;) and use PM (or use the Chit / Chat forum).
Sid!
Relax, we are just being nostalgic. It doesn't hurt anything, so what's the problem?
-ErikPM is the right avenue for nostalgia and everything else personal. It isn't a great idea to hijack someone's thread and create a personal discussion. PM is a space meant specifically for that.
Just in case you still aren't convinced about it, here are some conditions you need to adhere to:
You will not post messages that are clearly outside of the stated topic [...] So, relax ;) and use PM (or use the Chit / Chat forum).
Sid!
PeejAvery
June 2nd, 2008, 09:09 AM
Relax, we are just being nostalgic. It doesn't hurt anything, so what's the problem?
The original question is "Can anyone please tell the major differences between "Windows NT" and Linux?" Since your posts do not relate to this, they are off-topic and have no place in this thread. If you want to discuss the good ol' days, either use private messaging, or the chit-chat forum.
The original question is "Can anyone please tell the major differences between "Windows NT" and Linux?" Since your posts do not relate to this, they are off-topic and have no place in this thread. If you want to discuss the good ol' days, either use private messaging, or the chit-chat forum.
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