What is more popular Borland C++ Builder oder Visual C++

[Mike2003]

Hello,

i only whant to know what development tool is more popular resp. the developers use it more ?

thanx

greetings

[NoHero]

As far as I know: Microsoft Visual C++. I have never seen someone who uses the Borland C++ Builder.

[cilu]

By far MSDev. ;)

[Andreas Masur]

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[pawan_bishnoi]

I feel VC++ is much better in all senses ....

[Axter]

By very very far, Microsoft Visual C++ is more popular then Borland C++ Builder.



As a consultant, I work in many different locations. And none of the clients of worked for used Borland C++ Builder in the projects I've been associated with.



I also participate in the Experts-Exchange web site, which has a C++ Builder topic area.

http://experts-exchange.com/Cplusplus_Builder[/url]

If you look in the C++ Builder topic area, you'll notice that there's about 327 PAQ's (Previously Asked Questions).



Now look at the MFC topic area:

http://experts-exchange.com/MFC[url="http://experts-exchange.com/MFC/"] (http://experts-exchange.com/Cplusplus_Builder)

You'll see there are 23871 PAQ's.



Not all VC++ developers use MFC, so the above number is only a portion of the ratio between VC++ development compared to C++ Builder.

But even if you were to just take above numbers as an indicator for usage between the two compilers, the numbers would indicate that the ratio is at least 50 to 1.

So for every developer using C++ Builder, there are over 50 developers using MS VC++.



Another reference point you can use is Monster.com.

Do a keyword search for "C++ Builder".

I just did a search, and got 14 as a result.



Now do a search for "MFC".

I got 508.

Also do a search for "VC++"

I got 185.



You can also check out Dice.com

11 jobs with C++ Builder

326 jobs with MFC

275 jobs with VC++





This is not a scientific survey, but it still can give you an idea of usage and of what employers are looking for.




There are not that many employers looking for C++ Builder developers.

[hspc]

I downloaded C++BuilderX personal edition.. (~316MB)
I was depressed :sick:
No support for long file names.:eek:
No auto complete.:cry:
No intellisense. :blush:
However it supports many compilers and platforms.

[Gabriel Fleseriu]

I'm just guessing, but I think that even gcc is more widely used than Borland C++. And as a personal oppinion, VC++ is the tool of choice for Windows platforms. Also note that the Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 (http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/) is officially available for download for free. It has no IDE, but you will get a state of the art compiler and linker.

[bms123]

Could some one review "Intel C++ Compiler for Windows ?"

[hspc]

I did not use Intel compiler myself
but MySQL says that compiling MySQL with intel gives ~20% better performance .. WOW:rolleyes:

[ovidiucucu]

I did not use Intel compiler myself
but MySQL says that compiling MySQL with intel gives ~20% better performance .. WOW:rolleyes:
Yes, I heard about that. Maybe INTEL optimize better the code for INTEL target processors. Although, I don't 100% believe the percent above is 100% real.

[darwen]

Visual C++ 2005 Beta is available for free - which is the same as the toolkit apart from supporting .NET version 2.0, and has a nice IDE for you.

Persumably it's as good as the 2003 toolkit at compiling C++ code.

And DevStudio dominates the market from my experience.

I have also heard that the Intel compiler is better than the Microsoft one. However the last time I tried it (about 6 months ago) I had problems with its integration with DevStudio. More specifically with older C++ projects (converted from VC6 projects). It really didn't like them.

Mind you I write everything which I need to be REALLY fast in Assembler these days... but there you go.

Darwen.

[hspc]

I have also heard that the Intel compiler is better than the Microsoft one. However the last time I tried it (about 6 months ago) I had problems with its integration with DevStudio. More specifically with older C++ projects (converted from VC6 projects). It really didn't like them.Also the new MS compiler had problems with ATL and MFC because it's standard.
This is actually a problem with the library not the compiler IMO.

[Andreas Masur]

Also the new MS compiler had problems with ATL and MFC because it's standard.
Well...I assume that there is at least one typo in the above sentence isn't it? Otherwise, I would be interested to know these problems...

[ishtiaque_NSU]

I dont understant why people dont like Borland C++ Builder. Its an excellent dev tool (specially C++ Builder 6). VC++ doesnt had a RAD tool like BCB. Even The skeleton code generated by the VC++ wizard (both dialog and doc/view) is complicted for a beginner. I think development in BCB is easiar and faster than VC++. And you get all the equivalent libraries in BCB that you get in VC.

[hspc]

Well...I assume that there is at least one typo in the above sentence isn't it? Otherwise, I would be interested to know these problems...some light on this topic : Breaking Changes in Visual C++ 2005 (http://www.codeguru.com/columns/Experts/article.php/c9523/)

[Andreas Masur]

some light on this topic : Breaking Changes in Visual C++ 2005 (http://www.codeguru.com/columns/Experts/article.php/c9523/)
Well...I still don't see the problems you mentioned...I know these changes already, however...I might not understand them in regard to the following sentence...

Also the new MS compiler had problems with ATL and MFC because it's standard.

:confused:

[Krzemo]

I dont understant why people dont like Borland C++ Builder.It is not a matter of like or dislike. Most programmers have to work with tools provided by theirs bosses. Since Microsoft have better marketing (advertising) and prices than ... what U expect?
For example I've recently (1 year ego) bought (privatelly) Ms C++.NET 2003 standard for about 50$. And it is fully functional IDE, and I can write commertial program with it :thumb:

And what Borland (Inprise or whatever :rolleyes: ) have in his offert?

Originally Posted by hspc
Also the new MS compiler had problems with ATL and MFC because it's standard.
:confused: too ...

[Sahir]

Since Microsoft have better marketing (advertising) and prices than ... what U expect?

Yep! Borland products were not very price friendly. I am not sure if that is the case now.