View of Arnold Schwarzenegger from outside California

[Sam Hobbs]

In my opinion, Arnold Schwarzenegger gives the wrong impression to the world for a few reasons. The main rason is that people are not likely to see biographies of him but they are likely to see him in roles such as The Terminator. I am not familiar with The Terminator because it seems like the type of movie I have little interest in. Am I correct that movies such as The Terminator give a bad impression of Arnold Schwarzenegger and therefore convey the wrong impression to the world?

I think this is something that everyone in the world is qualified to comment on, at least if the have seen Arnold Schwarzenegger in The Terminator and/or similar movies.

[Mick]

Arniee has been interested in politics for a long time, put him up against who's running, and he gets my vote. Maybe he'll get your state under control, because you've been a laughing stock ever since Gray Davis was voted in.

edit:

See this isn't about party politics, well almost not, I can relate, paris glendening (D) put maryland in a snot hole, blew our surplus (and we had a big surplus) and put us in the red faster than bill saying hey monica that's a nice party dress you have on there. Thank god we voted in robert ehrlich, who's going about cleaning up the mess. First (R) in like 36+ years in maryland.

[Gabriel Fleseriu]

Actualy, The Terminator (1 and 2) aren't that bad movies, as long as you don't take them too seriously. Good story, good special effects; my oppinion.

And that hasn't anything to do with Arnie's qualities as politician, governator or statesman. He's an actor, more or less good, more or less funny, more or less credible. I don't think that he is somehow more special qualified for the job he's applying to than anybody else. On the other hand, the other candidates don't have his muscles ;) -- as far as I know.

Reagan was president; why shouldn't Arnie be governor?

[Yves M]

I don't have a bad impression of him. His acting talent may not be the greatest, but well, that shouldn't make much difference to his eligibility. I can't say whether I would vote for him, since I haven't looked at his and the other candidates' programs.


Reagan was president; why shouldn't Arnie be governor?

He would be the first Governator for California ;)

[Mick]

That's one of the problems, none of the other canidates shows any promise, but I don't live in CA so I don't follow thier politics, nor any other state except my own. But the rest are either Davis's cronies or just plain wrong ;)

At least arnie has shown how he can take the bull by the horns, given how succesful he is today, and like I said arniee has been interested in politics for a long time, so I'm sure he's up on his game.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu
Reagan was president; why shouldn't Arnie be governor?

For all that people bash reagan the cowboy, he did break the backs of the USSR, the wall came down, the cold war ended...

I'm kinda thinking now today, in 2003 that the world is a much better place, along with most of the warsaw pact countries that were subjected to the communist rule.

[hometown]

I like all action movies..:)

[Gabriel Fleseriu]

Hummmm. I don't know much about US politics. That means I do know nothing about it, or, at leat, not much :). But you don't really belive that Reagan did all the things you mentioned, do you? By all respect, but you cannot be that naïve. I lived in a former east-block counrty and I know what I'm talking about.

The fall of the USSR -- or its regime -- was NOT an american achievement. Nor was it one of the western world. Let's be reasonable. In over 50 years of communism, the western world did encapsulate itself under the umbrella of atomic threatening and did nothing for the eastern countries -- see Czechioslivakia or Hungary. After the fall of the wall, the western countries are preocupied to block immigration from the east. So don't preach to me about their achievements in this respect, ok?

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
Arniee has been interested in politics for a long time, put him up against who's running, and he gets my vote.That's the problem; there are many other more qualified people that are not running because Arnold is so popular. Originally, the former mayor of Los Angeles (Mayor Riordan) was going to run if Arnold did not. Mayor Riordan is immensely more qualified. He is a succesfful businessman that earned $1 a year as mayor. He has the business experience to do a great job. He would have run if Arnold did not and everyone was expecting Arnold to say on the Tonight Show that we was not running.

I think Arnold is more interested in the fame, and with Maria Shriver as his wife, he has many very influential people wispering in his ear motivating him to run. When he is in office, they will also be wispering in his ear about many other things they care about. They are smart enough to know how to keep things looking good to the citizens. If Gray Davis got fooled, do you really think Arnold is smarter?

Actually, those infulential people are smart enough to know that if they give Californians a good deal, they will get a great puppet as presidnet.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu
Hummmm. I don't know much about US politics. That means I do know nothing about it, or, at leat, not much :). But you don't really belive that Reagan did all the things you mentioned, do you? By all respect, but you cannot be that naïve. I lived in a former east-block counrty and I know what I'm talking about.

The fall of the USSR -- or its regime -- was NOT an american achievement. Nor was it one of the western world. Let's be reasonable. In over 50 years of communism, the western world did encapsulate itself under the umbrella of atomic threatening and did nothing for the eastern countries -- see Czechioslivakia or Hungary. After the fall of the wall, the western countries are preocupied to block immigration from the east. So don't preach to me about their achievements in this respect, ok?

When your country doesn't have enough money to please the populace because it is attempting to keep up in an arms race, then yea, I think it has something to do with it, please don't tell me your that naïve to believe it didn't...

Not preaching, just pointing out facts.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu
Actualy, The Terminator (1 and 2) aren't that bad movies, as long as you don't take them too seriously. Good story, good special effects; my oppinion.

And that hasn't anything to do with Arnie's qualities as politician, governator or statesman. He's an actor, more or less good, more or less funny, more or less credible. I don't think that he is somehow more special qualified for the job he's applying to than anybody else. On the other hand, the other candidates don't have his muscles ;) -- as far as I know.

Reagan was president; why shouldn't Arnie be governor? So is Arnold not violent in the Terminator? Is Arnold a nice guy in the Terminator as is Ronald Reagan in all his movies?

Mayor Riordan is much more qualified for the job, and there are probably hundreds of others that are not politicians and that have not run but would be much more qualified than Arnold.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Yves M
He would be the first Governator for California ;) Would be or was? He (Reagan) was governor of California before he was president.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
That's the problem; there are many other more qualified people that are not running because Arnold is so popular. Originally, the former mayor of Los Angeles (Mayor Riordan) was going to run if Arnold did not. Mayor Riordan is immensely more qualified. He is a succesfful businessman that earned $1 a year as mayor. He has the business experience to do a great job. He would have run if Arnold did not and everyone was expecting Arnold to say on the Tonight Show that we was not running.

I think Arnold is more interested in the fame, and with Maria Shriver as his wife, he has many very influential people wispering in his ear motivating him to run. When he is in office, they will also be wispering in his ear about many other things they care about. They are smart enough to know how to keep things looking good to the citizens. If Gray Davis got fooled, do you really think Arnold is smarter?

Actually, those infulential people are smart enough to know that if they give Californians a good deal, they will get a great puppet as presidnet.

I don't think arnold will put up with the BS and won't be looking to get his palms greased. It's your state, vote for who you think is most qualified, but as I read it, there aren't many choices, sorta like the last presidential election, sorta like this coming up presidential election....when you have no qualified canidates, your only choice is to take it deep.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
But the rest are either Davis's cronies or just plain wrong ;)You are correct that you don't know.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
Would be or was? He (Reagan) was governor of California before he was president.

he was talking about arnold, govanator = terminator

[Mick]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
You are correct that you don't know.

I know I don't have gary coleman or a prostitue running for governer in my state, take it deep california, you reap what you sow.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu
But you don't really belive that Reagan did all the things you mentioned, do you? By all respect, but you cannot be that naïve. I lived in a former east-block counrty and I know what I'm talking about.This is another discussion and I hope another thread is started for it. So for now I will say I don't know how much Reagan and his people influenced the things you are talking aobut but I think there is a good chance they had more influence than you understand. And I lived outside the "former east-block" countries so I know things you probably don't.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
When your country doesn't have enough money to please the populace because it is attempting to keep up in an arms race, then yea, I think it has something to do with it, please don't tell me your that naïve to believe it didn't...

Not preaching, just pointing out facts. I think I agree with you very much so I hope someone starts another thread for the discussion.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
That's the problem; there are many other more qualified people that are not running because Arnold is so popular. Originally, the former mayor of Los Angeles (Mayor Riordan) was going to run if Arnold did not. Mayor Riordan is immensely more qualified. He is a succesfful businessman that earned $1 a year as mayor. He has the business experience to do a great job. He would have run if Arnold did not and everyone was expecting Arnold to say on the Tonight Show that we was not running.


See and this ticks me off, what you are saying is that the people of california are too stupid to understand the issues at hand. So what if arnie is running, if you have conviction that you can do the best for california, get off yer duff and run, if your ideas are sound, and your strategy is sound then you should prevail, unless the people are too stupid ;)

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
I don't think arnold will put up with the BS and won't be looking to get his palms greased.Not intentionally, but there are many highly influential people that are much smarter than him.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
he was talking about arnold, govanator = terminator From the context, it is very difficult to know who is being referred to.

[Mick]

Well as an outsider, I can say the only thing I care about, is seeing gray davis go, he is making a farce out of california, you guys should have done the recall what back in 2000 or 2001 with the rolling blackouts, I don't understand what took so long for this to happen after that....

[Yves M]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
When your country doesn't have enough money to please the populace because it is attempting to keep up in an arms race, then yea, I think it has something to do with it, please don't tell me your that naïve to believe it didn't...

The "fact" that they didn't please the "populace" anymore in 1989 and that therefore the wall came down is a an interesting argument, but plain wrong. Where were the western countries when the eastern european countries tried to fend off russian influence after WW2 ? Where were the western countries in 1956 when Hungary tried to be more open ? Where were they when Chechoslovakia tried to free themselves from the grip of the Kremlin ?

Anyways, even if your argument were right, I wouldn't be proud of the president of my country who is praised to be responsible for the suffering of people in other countries.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
I know I don't have gary coleman or a prostitue running for governer in my state, take it deep california, you reap what you sow. Gary Coleman could not run for governer in other states, but prostitues have run for many things, including mayors and governors. Are you absolutely sure that a prostitute has never run for governor of your state?

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
See and this ticks me off, what you are saying is that the people of california are too stupid to understand the issues at hand. So what if arnie is running, if you have conviction that you can do the best for california, get off yer duff and run, if your ideas are sound, and your strategy is sound then you should prevail, unless the people are too stupid ;) Stupid? no. Ignorant? Yes.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Yves M
The "fact" that they didn't please the "populace" anymore in 1989 and that therefore the wall came down is a an interesting argument, but plain wrong. Where were the western countries when the eastern european countries tried to fend off russian influence after WW2 ? Where were the western countries in 1956 when Hungary tried to be more open ? Where were they when Chechoslovakia tried to free themselves from the grip of the Kremlin ?

Anyways, even if your argument were right, I wouldn't be proud of the president of my country who is praised to be responsible for the suffering of people in other countries. You are a moderator. Please don't post off-topic discussions here.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Yves M
The "fact" that they didn't please the "populace" anymore in 1989 and that therefore the wall came down is a an interesting argument, but plain wrong. Where were the western countries when the eastern european countries tried to fend off russian influence after WW2 ? Where were the western countries in 1956 when Hungary tried to be more open ? Where were they when Chechoslovakia tried to free themselves from the grip of the Kremlin ?

Anyways, even if your argument were right, I wouldn't be proud of the president of my country who is praised to be responsible for the suffering of people in other countries.

Read patton ;) Had he been able to do what he wanted, maybe communisum wouldn't have been around for long.

Sure sure, lets risk a nuclear war ;) that's just what I wanted...

Ahh so those at fault are those that resist the evils of communisum??? couldn't be communism that caused the suffering of people in their own countries??? nah lets blame the US, instead of ourselves...everybody else does, join the bandwagon, I mean all the problems in the middle east, africa, indo-china, couldn't at all be traced back to colonialism, of say, france, great britain, portugal, spain, belguim...hmm couldn't be traced back then, before the USA was founded...nah...couldn't be that. After all we are the great evil....

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
Well as an outsider, I can say the only thing I care about, is seeing gray davis go, he is making a farce out of california, you guys should have done the recall what back in 2000 or 2001 with the rolling blackouts, I don't understand what took so long for this to happen after that.... I agree that citizens of California were ignorant when the elected Gray Davis. You might not be aware of it, but as the vice governor, he used to pass laws and such while the governor was away and then the governor would undo them when he returned. It was unproductive and arrogant to pass laws that had to be undone and it is unfortunate that Californians did not realize that was an indication of what type of governor he would be.

This thread is discussing many things except what I asked about. I asked about the impression that Arnold gives based on his roles in movies.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
Gary Coleman could not run for governer in other states, but prostitues have run for many things, including mayors and governors. Are you absolutely sure that a prostitute has never run for governor of your state?

Hmm not in my lifetime...or it never made the papers or news, that a 'tute was running.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
I agree that citizens of California were ignorant when the elected Gray Davis. You might not be aware of it, but as the vice governor, he used to pass laws and such while the governor was away and then the governor would undo them when he returned. It was unproductive and arrogant to pass laws that had to be undone and it is unfortunate that Californians did not realize that was an indication of what type of governor he would be.

This thread is discussing many things except what I asked about. I asked about the impression that Arnold gives based on his roles in movies.

But his roles in movies shouldn't have anything to do with him running for governer....that's like all the other poop, like I inhaled 20 years ago, big whip t do....

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Mick_2002
But his roles in movies shouldn't have anything to do with him running for governer....that's like all the other poop, like I inhaled 20 years ago, big whip t do.... So you don't understand the question so please don't post here.

[hometown]

Are you talking about films ?

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by hometown
Are you talking about films ? Yes a film is probably the same thing as a movie, but technically, not all films are movies. Also, with the new digital technology, movies recorded digitally are technically not on film.

[Mick]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
So you don't understand the question so please don't post here.

Last post. Obviously you don't understand the question your asking ;) Your asking what his role in the terminator movies (which you haven't seen, and I have) play on the impression of him running for governor...and I said they don't, and it shouldn't matter.

[hometown]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
Yes a film is probably the same thing as a movie, but technically, not all films are movies. Also, with the new digital technology, movies recorded digitally are technically not on film.
Well, thanks alot....

Mick_2002, why dont you work for government ? I think working for government is a good job, having a lot of money, doing all the nice work and gaining respect from all citizens.....:)

[Doctor Luz]

Am I correct that movies such as The Terminator give a bad impression of Arnold Schwarzenegger and therefore convey the wrong impression to the world?


I think you are right.

Outside USA we only know what Schwarzenegger did in his movies, then the impression of him is highly influenced by the movies.

This do not means that he will be a bad (or good) governor if he is elected. That is a decision which only the people of California must take theirselves.

[dimm_coder]

Hey, Sam, so did U see The Terminator (1,2)? ... I think yes, in other case how could U post this question without your own view to Arnee as an actor...
And Yep, I agree with Gabriel and others, The Terminator is not so bad a story (even good enough), of course if U donot see at it so siriously... It is not a kind of movie which needs good drama actors and I think that Arniee is good in his roles (not The Terminator only but others too).
But I think that some sides of his life can get respects from everyone... ummm.. something like "The man who made self" is it not the American dream? (oh.. well of course not american only)... Of course, if the goal of becoming the governator is not only poor egoistical wish for self-satisfaction... Hum.. But who knows what the power moves peoples to become politics.

[Gabriel Fleseriu]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
So is Arnold not violent in the Terminator? Is Arnold a nice guy in the Terminator as is Ronald Reagan in all his movies?


Gee. I'm really wondering how many people will vote Arnie and how many the Terminator, if you know what I mean. Not that we will ever find out, but it's an interesting thought.


@Mick: I don't want to start a big discussion about the fall of the communist block here. However, if I were to name one person who really had a major influence in that process, than it was Gorbatchov (or however you spell that). On the other hand, I strongly belive that such a process is chaotical, in the mathematical sense of the word (i.e. an infinite small change of the initial conditions can lead to an infinite large change of the result). So it is very hard to answer "what if" questions in this regard.

[dimm_coder]

Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu
On the other hand, I strongly belive that such a process is chaotical, in the mathematical sense of the word (i.e. an infinite small change of the initial conditions can lead to an infinite large change of the result). So it is very hard to answer "what if" questions in this regard.

Sometimes the things depends on the place U were watching for them... But the truth can be somewhere in the middle, of course If someone understand what I mean.

[Yovav]

I'm a BIG movie lover, and when I think of a best actor Arnold is sure in the Top 10,
never mind if his acting is good or not (I think is good) but he took part in some of the biggest movies made in the last decade,

Take that and the fact he was Mr.Universe - this man knows how 2 make impression and move things,

and with the money he now has - I bet he has a fine crew that can help very much to get the best decisions,

here in Israel we had a man who was a top journalist and when he run - he done very well - more than all other "experienced" politicians...



bottom line: watch Terminator 1,2,3 ASAP !


Anyone - I wanna B a US citizen - any idea how can I do that ?


I wish they all could B California girls...

[SolarFlare]

Originally posted by hometown
Mick_2002, why dont you work for government ? I think working for government is a good job, having a lot of money, doing all the nice work and gaining respect from all citizens.....:)
We Americans don't like our political leaders ;) (in general). They control our lives, our lives are $%^&*, therefore they must be the ones making our lives $%^&*. It's flawed reasoning, but a lot of people believe it. The problem is, it's not about improving society, it's about a huge popularity contest. And government jobs don't get paid a ton of money, either.

[Gabriel Fleseriu]

Heard it today: "I don't approve political jokes; I saw too many of them elected." :D

[SolarFlare]

The link (http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/arnie.php) speaks for itself.

[hometown]

Originally posted by solarflare
We Americans don't like our political leaders ;) (in general). They control our lives, our lives are $%^&*, therefore they must be the ones making our lives $%^&*. It's flawed reasoning, but a lot of people believe it. The problem is, it's not about improving society, it's about a huge popularity contest. And government jobs don't get paid a ton of money, either.
Yup, I also donot like my political leaders, I think about it many times, they are real darned $0@8......:o (I learn this word from movies).....:)

[hometown]

Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu
Heard it today: "I don't approve political jokes; I saw too many of them elected." :D

Gabriel, why dont you talk about your political leaders, I would like to know your ideas....Yours not others'...:)

[galathaea]

Arnie has already been found to have had some political discussions with Ken Lay in the past. There is this whole murky business with a 9 billion dollar lawsuit being filed by several Californians (including Bustamante -- sp?) attempting to recover from fraudulent actions by Enron, etc. concerning the huge energy crisis and the resulting budget deficit. The people whispering in Arnie's ear are certainly not the type I'd find solace in...

My view of Arnie's political aspirations are not based on his movies at all. I see him as another good actor who can appease the populace while working with "insiders" to accomplish whatever their goals may be, and that is all I expect from him. Nothing new, here. That's basically Bush's role today, as it was for Clinton before him. Know how to go out there and tell the public exactly what the "insiders" are telling you to say. Smile and nod. Don't debate unless you have the questions available and can ask the people around you how to answer.

Are Californian's stupid? Not any more than elsewhere, from my experience. But that doesn't mean that most people who vote aren't going to the polls with a lack of understanding of the issues. It's always about the personality to the majority of voters, and its been that way in most elections anywhere. It seems that ever since commerce became more important to politics than religion or military power (looking way back to the origins of the "Enlightenment"), there have been those annoying business people whispering into the ears of politicians, structuring their moves. But before then, there were the priests. Its just the way political structures work.

The whole soviet-block collapse is a case in point. That was certainly a business move which was required to get the economic collapse under control. To some degree, I'd agree that much of that was based upon work by US forces aiming at breaking up the economic stranglehold that communism held over that region. But I don't think the US government had much of a say over that. The collapse seems more a result of the actions of major businesses, particularly in energy. The overspending on defense was more a symptom of the issue, not really a cause, in my opinion. Throughout history, major wars have nearly always been surrounding economic issues and resources (*cough* Iraq, *cough* Mexican-American war, *cough* etc.), and it was certainly reasonable for the soviet-block to expect similar possibilities if it didn't have nuclear deterrence. I mean, the original idea of soviet politics was to break up the control of business over politics in the first place, and American business were frightened to no end that they might gain the power to do so (however, soviet politics like all politics got mired in its own human-rights issues that completely destroyed any possibility to accept its position as legitimate).

So what does Arnie have to offer? Apparently, just another face to look at while someone else is busy writing the laws...

[Sam Hobbs]

Galathaea, what part of that is on-topic?

[galathaea]

Sam:

1) All of it. Just read it. I spent some effort typing it up, it fits the description of the thread and the original post's guidelines as well.

2) Your attempt to focus the topic of a thread in the chit-chat forum is likely to go unheeded. That's why this forum doesn't offer any added posts to one's count.

3) If the comment about the soviet block doesn't interest you, you are free to ignore it. It was my attempt at showing the similarity between what was being called off-topic (by yourself) and the actual topic. Whether that attempt was successful is certainly up to debate, and would appear completely on-topic to me as well.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by galathaea
1) All of it. Just read it. I spent some effort typing it up, it fits the description of the thread and the original post's guidelines as well.I did read it once before asking my question. I have read it again and I guess I am frustrated that there has been so much discussion that has been off-topic that I am quick to react when more is said that is off-topic. If you were to have something to say explaining why something is off-topic then that is relevant, otherwise I think it is better to just not comment any further on any off-topic discussion.

The amount of time to type something is often insignificant to the amount of time to write something. I often spend five times more time rewriting a reply in the CodeGuru forums than I spend writing an initial draft. A well-written comment is shorter than a quickly written one.
Originally posted by galathaea
2) Your attempt to focus the topic of a thread in the chit-chat forum is likely to go unheeded. That's why this forum doesn't offer any added posts to one's count.That is very unfortunate, but I don't think that the post count is very relevant. It is very, very unfortunate that so many discussions get so far off-topic. What happens is that people with limited time that only want to spend time on topics that interest them are unable to do that. Therefore the only people that participate in chit-chat are people with plenty of time to spend wading through discussions that most people don't care about.

Note that if I had not made my comment about remaining on-topic, this discussion would have continued (off-topic) for many pages.
Originally posted by galathaea
3) If the comment about the soviet block doesn't interest you, you are free to ignore it. It was my attempt at showing the similarity between what was being called off-topic (by yourself) and the actual topic. Whether that attempt was successful is certainly up to debate, and would appear completely on-topic to me as well. I would rather not debate it. I would prefer to just stop it. If you want to continue with that discussion here, then this thread should be renamed.

I realize that what I am saying here is contradictory with something I saind in the VC forum where Andreas and Brad said the discussion is off-topic and if we want to discuss that then we can open another thread.

[Sam Hobbs]

Should chit-chat remain on-topic? (http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=266813)

[Gabriel Fleseriu]

Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
Should chit-chat remain on-topic? (http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=266813)

Sorry Sam, but that is per definition facultative. There is no requirement for the posts in the Chit/Chat Forum to stay on topic. You can ask people to stay on topic in a particular thread, but it is up to them to do this favor to you.

It is just common sense, if a secondary (maybe unrelated) thread of discussion developes, to allow people to continue it. You cannot claim "property" on a thread, even if you started it.

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by Gabriel Fleseriu
Sorry Sam, but that is per definition facultative. There is no requirement for the posts in the Chit/Chat Forum to stay on topic. You can ask people to stay on topic in a particular thread, but it is up to them to do this favor to you.

It is just common sense, if a secondary (maybe unrelated) thread of discussion developes, to allow people to continue it. You cannot claim "property" on a thread, even if you started it. I don't know what "per definition facultative" means.

Yes I know there is not a stated requirement for chit-chat to remain on topic, and you obviously wanted to assert your right to be off-topic by posting here instead of in the thread I created for this discussion. Perhaps you know that what you are saying here is incosistent with what SolarFlare has said in the other thread. I am surprised that a moderator would do this.

Would it be appropriate for me to ask that Gabriel's post be moved to where it is appropriate?

[galathaea]

I like cheese.

[SolarFlare]

Originally posted by galathaea
I like cheese.
Now you're just deliberately instigating this.

[galathaea]

Originally posted by solarflare
Now you're just deliberately instigating this.
...and...
Originally posted by Sam Hobbs
Galathaea, what part of that is on-topic?
...seem to be pointing at someone else doing the instigating here. It is completely apparent on my side that someone posted here who supports Arnold for California's governator and thought he was somehow being misrepresented. When I post a conflicting reply to his belief system, he posts about topicality, as he did with the other tangentially related posts. I see no way that any moderator could even start to make tests for topicality in chit-chat (hmm... its about politics, but its specific to the treaty of guadalupe-hidalgo... should i allow this hegelian study on the causes of territoritality, or would that take it off topic...?).

I'm not instigating. I'm lightening the mood... before someone tries to get John Conner involved!

[SolarFlare]

That's it, I'm getting John Conner...

[Sam Hobbs]

Originally posted by galathaea
It is completely apparent on my side that someone posted here who supports Arnold for California's governator and thought he was somehow being misrepresented.Are talking about me?

[Yovav]

As a future US citizen I must say I'm glad!
I bet he'll also get the White House one day :-)

(hope it will not effect movie downloading...)

[dimm_coder]

Originally posted by Yovav
As a future US citizen I must say I'm glad!
I bet he'll also get the White House one day :-)

(hope it will not effect movie downloading...)

If U donot know that he cannot get the White House because he is not a native american citizen, so how U want to become a US citizen if U donot know this... Ummm... How can U get a pudding if don't have a meat...

(Umm... sorry Sam for off-topic, ... Ummm ...
But I like cheese too :D)

[Tom Frohman]

As H.L. Mencken said nobody every went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

I like cheese too but it upsets my stomach:)
Oh yeah, I do think that the oatmeal here is lumpy.

So what is everyone's favorite cheese?
Stilton, Cheddar, Wensleydale?:D :D

[Yves M]

So it appears that Arnold did indeed get voted as Governator. Let's hope California's problems will be Terminated !

[Yovav]

Originally posted by dimm_coder
If U donot know that he cannot get the White House because he is not a native american citizen, so how U want to become a US citizen if U donot know this... Ummm... How can U get a pudding if don't have a meat...

(Umm... sorry Sam for off-topic, ... Ummm ...
But I like cheese too :D)


Well, I guess I know more than U do :-)
I did hear there are some intentions to change this stupid law,

We'll just have 2 wait and C...

Anyway - it's a TOTAL RECALL !!!

[mike200]

Originally posted by dimm_coder
If U donot know that he cannot get the White House because he is not a native american citizen, so how U want to become a US citizen if U donot know this... Ummm... How can U get a pudding if don't have a meat...


That may change if this ammendment passes:

Washington Times (http://http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030715-043500-5589r.htm)

[SolarFlare]

Originally posted by mike200
That may change if this ammendment passes:

Washington Times (http://http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030715-043500-5589r.htm)
I couldn't get to the site but if you are referring to an amendment that would allow foreigners in the highest office, then I've got news for you. There is no way in he(ck) that amendment would ever possibly remotely come close to being considered for passing. Do you know how hard it is to pass a constitutional amendment? It's not a coincidence so few have been created over the years. There has to be a 2/3 majority in the Senate and in the House, and then 3/4 of the states governments have to approve it, and then there's some more mumbo-jumbo. So for something as ludicrous as that suggestion, nooooo way would that ever happen in this country.